Ken Crowder on the LEOFF 2 Board Meeting
- By Ken Crowder
- Published 01/26/2012
- HB 2350
Good morning all. Yesterday (Wednesday) I attended the LEOFF Plan 11 Board meeting. We had a large turnout of LEOFF 1 members so thanks for all who attended. I believe they got the message that we care and we're not going to go away. Matt Smith, State Actuary, made a presentation of the merger study he conducted last year followed by Steve Nelson, LEOFF 11 Board Exec. Director, presenting an over view of the merger and why it is so great (in his view). In Nelson's presentation he stated that he had the bill reviewed by the best attorney in the nation on pension issues and that the attorney says the bill is 100% legal. This is in total contradiction to what Joe Fischnaller and Phil Talmage have stated in their written opinion. Did I mention that the opinion Nelson obtained has never been seen by anyone but him. This is more of the "trust us we're here for you LEOFF 1 members". I think the trust well has run dry.
Getting back to the meeting. Several LEOFF 1 members testified including Dick Warbrouck who did an outstanding job presenting our concerns. Way to go Dick. One of the biggest issues for employers and the State was that the new Board would have total control for setting contribution rates. As it turns out the Board believes this is a Bakenhaus protected right and the Legislature cannot undo it once made into law. I can't imagine any Legislator buying into this. For LEOFF 1 Mr. Nelson and Kelly Fox still contend that this bill does not hurt LEOFF 1 and protects our benefits and pension boards.
Second is the governance issue. Again more of the "trust us". They contend that the new Board will look out for LEOFF 1. If they really believed this then why not :trust us" and give LEOFF 1 equal representation on the Board? Unfortunately this would go counter to WACOPS & WSCFF original intent when I-790 was drafted and that was to make sure those two organizations had control of the Board. Currently there are 6 LEOF 11 members,3 employer reps. and 2 Legislators (one of which is LEOFF 11). In the end all the Board members had their say and a motion to support the bill was made. The vote was 5 against and three for so the Board will not support HB2350. This is a huge win for us. I think in the end those who opposed the bill really looked at what it does and doesn't do and made the correct decision. There are way too many problem with this bill.
We still need to have everyone call their Legislators and ask them not to support HB2350 as it is flawed and has numerous legal issues that have not been resolved. Also mention that the LEOFF 11 Board also agrees that the bill has problems and does not support it either. So make the calls. If you don't you may regret it later and the ship will have sailed.
Sincerely,
Ken Crowder
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2 Responses to "Ken Crowder on the LEOFF 2 Board Meeting" 
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said this on 27 Jan 2012 12:28:59 PM PST
Ha Ha... The LEOFF2 Board has changed their mind, and now support 2350! HB 2350 will pass and become law despite what you geriatrics think!
Where were you selflish LEOFF1 blow hards in '77 when LEOFF2 was created, thus fucking all of us? No where! Where was LEOFF1 when the legislature tried to cut LEOFF2 contribution rates the last few sessions? Nowhere! Sit back and take what you selfish fucks have coming, even though you all know that nothing changes. Quit your lies and smoke and mirrors! Get over yourselves already and know that LEOFF2 now rules the day! |
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said this on 28 Jan 2012 1:20:11 PM PST
Sorry you feel so much animosity. I guess that is part of the problem. You are quite mistaken to think that LEOFF 1 did not try to stop the creation of LEOFF 2. Hell, we even helped pass the initiative that created the LEOFF 2 Board.
Given your take on we geriatric fire fighters and police officers you should be able to understand our concern about governance. Oh, by the way, even tough you used a phony email address and name to post this commnet, we know you sent it from a City of Seattle computer. We could follow up but won't. Shame on you for such childish behavior. Your comments are welcome, but please make them civil and be brave enough to use your own name. |

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